4.0 DELI SCRUBS

I just feel that considering that most of our non runners want to run anyways, and they are pinch ran for because of the managers discretion to help the team, they get screwed out of runs scored? I dont have a issue that much with the stolen bases credit, but It seems unfair , since they are the ones really reaching base. They are being pinch ran for to help the team, but we penalize them by not crediting them with the run scored? I'm sure that is what the rule is in MLB or sdabl, but it just sucks for the people who are picked to be non runners. It doesn't effect me I just was curious on how people feel about that. Because it is really just singling out just a few players, and then more than likely those players will not want to be non runners any more. Or not want to be pinch ran for in the game in the 9th with the game on the line. In the pro's they credit the pinch runner because it happens like once every 8 or 10 games for one random player. But for us it is 4 to 6 times a game, every game for the same few people. Just a thought.

And agian no big deal, just wanted to see what people's thoughts are on it. I just want to know if I'm the only dumb ass who thinks this.

I'm sure that is what the rule is in MLB or sdabl

You are correct, sir! There is nothing about this in the SDABL rules, but the MLB scoring rules (the ones I use) do specify that a pinch runner gets credit for everything that happens from the point at which he gets on base. And you're also right, it's not a real issue in MLB because it only happens rarely.

Now then ... I'm sure the pinch runners like it this way (and, by the way, 2010 is the first time I've actually followed the rule, thinking that a guy who pinch runs and steals bases or scores runs on his own initiative probably deserves the credit, which is also the way professional, college and high school baseball handles it.) Which is, no question, sucky for the non-runner. And a lot more work for me - I have to scrawl notes all over the scorebook about who ran for whom, where they entered on the bases, then sort out what happend after that. My Jack Daniels bill is killing me (not to mention the Jack itself).

So here's what let's do. We are two games into the new season. We need a team consensus on which way to go and I'll be happy to comply. If you collectively decide to have the pinch runner run anonymously (credit for the whole thing goes to the guy whose plate appearance it was, regardless whether someone runs for him), I'll even go back and re-do the stats for the first two games and make the adjustment. If we get a couple more games under our belt, that will not be happening until the fall season. And I most definitely won't go back and re-do the Spring games.

Talk it up, let me know definitively what the will of the team is, and I'll be glad to do it either way.

-Doug

You get the hit or walk....you should get all the credit....

I hate at the end of every season when Derek points his finger at me and says "Scott you are my idol"

I don't agree. If the guy isn't on the field then he shouldn't get credit for it. It would be like going to bat, having a 2-0 count, then having a pinch hitter come up; pinch hitter gets a single. Do you then get credit for the hit? If you don't do it, then why would you get credit for it. If a pinch runner gets picked off, does it go to the guy he ran for. If Dan is at 1st pinch running and the next batter hits a double, he scores, would the non pinch runner have scored from 1st??? I know a lot of questions.
If you want to be more fair then mix up the non runners. We have a lot of options!

Finally, the main reason I don't agree is because Skott does agree. I've learned over the last few seasons to do the opposite of what he says when it comes to baseball!!! Just read his past post!!Ha Btw Skott, if you don't K this season I'll take the K out from your name!!

I see both sides very clearly. On one hand It is shitty for the 'non-runner' who doesn't get credit, this is obvious, but on the other hand (and I'm not a huge stat fan), if you run your ass off and make something happen which produces a run you should (by rule and effort) get credit for scoring. Let's take Doc for example. Get's out, is the non-runner for JC after him who gets on base--Matty hits in Doc, and then immediately has to go run for him as he still is the non-runner. Two pitches later Derek is scoring again. That was two runs in 1 inning that weren't him! SO JC and Matty don't get the runs. Would they have scored? Who know's, and argument ends there.

So did I answer the question? No, I'm still on the fence, and I always like getting Matt's SB's in my box score....
And Derek likes it cause he scored 5 and tied a Scrubs record for runs in a game--congrats

I got an idea of how we can get Scott his first homerun! Next time Derek hits a bomb, he'll fake an injury coming out of the box and Scott will be his non-runner and get credit for the homerun!

Scott will be his non-runner and get credit for the homerun!

But to do that, Scott would have to be the last out. Oh ... wait ...

I think this is a conspiracy against me...does it seem odd to anyone else that the season I take off to rehab my leg is when the pinch runners get credited for the runs? Derek how much Jack did you buy Doug to get him to change this for you? It's alright to let other people have records too, you don't need to own them all you selfish bastard!

Pedro, I actually started this way back in March when we opened the spring season, so any pinch running you did got in your stats. And after Saturday, Doc doesn't owe me any Jack. He owes me at least a new truck.

think this is a conspiracy against me

Its always about Peter, the guy isn't even playing and he's still making it about him. Nice Hamstring!!! Ha

And Derek likes it cause he scored 5 and tied a Scrubs record for runs in a game--congrats

Ha yes it's my stats. Hence why someone is stealing in the 9th up by 12 runs.
I'm not a fan of running for other people, I would much rather sit on the bench and relax. I have no control over Skott putting not 1 but both non runners hitting directly behind me. And yes, JC gets on 1st, I ran for him. Matty hit a double, I scored on Matty's double, would Jesse had scored on that hit? Maybe we should take away the RBI from Matty too since the typical, non runner would have stopped at 3rd.
Maybe instead of a full run we give .5 for each non runner and runner.
Would this even be an issue if I didn't touch home plate 5 times? We have one abnormal game and now its an issue? Weren't these the same rules we were using in the spring? So I'm curious what's changed?

I thought this started this season? I guess I was wrong.If the non runners don't care about it, then whatever, my point is that the non runners are most of the time pinch ran for when they would rather run anyways, and we take them out to help the team. A lot of the time they would rather run for themselfs. I know some non runners dont like being a non runner, it is not because they are lazy and dont want to run. The team is just saying you will be penalized because we dont like how slow you are. It will not bother me if we dont change it, I'm just stating my opinion. The real people who need to speak up are the non runners I guess.

Just to be sure nobody thinks I quietly changed the scoring rules without mentioning it to anyone, this has been at the top of the web site statistics page since I re-did the site in January:

Because of the “non-runner” provision in the SDABL rules, certain statistics may be credited to the wrong player. Any activities by the substitute runner, such as stolen bases and runs scored, were credited to the player who made the plate appearance, not to the substitute runner. Proper player credit will be given beginning in 2010 seasons

By the way, the scoring rules treat a pinch hitter or a pinch runner as a player substitution (since in real baseball, if you pinch anything, you're in and the guy you pinch hit or pinch run for is out of the game). In fact, the word "pinch" doesn't even appear in the MLB rule book.

Btw, Im fine with whatever the team decides. It just didn't make much sense to me. What we should probably do here is whatever is easiest for doug to keep track of. If we do that then I need to take stock out of Jack Daniels

Ha yes it's my stats. Hence why someone is stealing in the 9th up by 12 runs.

Ha, I didn't steal home up by 12 runs for my stats, I did it because everyone rides me when I don't steal every base I can, and because I show no mercy to the opposing team no matter what the score is. I expect the same from every one of my fellow Scrubs. After I did it I realized I likely took an RBI away from Doc--which is my bad.

My final thought on the pinch runner situation is this; I don't care either way who gets the credit for the run/stolen base. I wouldn't think most of us are to worried about getting credit for it. It should be up to 1---the person being pinch ran for and 2--the last out if he's willing to run. But this is the ONLY strategic thing we do--running for the slower runners, if you are faster, you should be willing to do this for the team. It is just as important having our better hitters hit up in the line-up to knock these guys in.

STATS!!!!! Fuck em, I got the game ball Derek touched homeplate as a pinch runner for my fatass, I dont deserve the run when I accept him as my pinch runner. If I wanna run for myself I will ,and then whatever I do is on me.

If Derek got a hit and wasnt the last out all the time maybe he wouldnt have to run so much.